W.R.M. Do you consider enough is being done to conserve our countryside, and if not, what direction should our efforts take? E.F.W. I find this difficult to answer, because I believe that it is possible to overdo one's putting it over to the general public. I think they can get tired of the subject. I'm not, of course, speaking of naturalists. I'm speaking of the ordinary people, who understand obvious pollution, but don't understand that a crowd of people walking over an area of country can do irreparable damage, I find this very difficult, — I think there's got to be some sort of middle way. I think if people become fed up to the teeth with something they tend to become antagonistic towards it. I think that zealots are always a bit of a pest. We have got to try and take a middle course. W.R.M. Have you any secret ambitions that you'd like to have fulfilled in the world of natural history? E.F.W. Well, I've often thought that I'd like to write a history of the butterflies and moths of this country, and perhaps of this part of the country, particularly Essex. I don't think I'm likely to do this because it is now quite apparent that one ought not to disclose the localities of anything that is in the least bit rare, and therefore there seems to be little point in doing so. However, I am helping in a panel of entomologists who are engaged in compiling a list of the Lepidoptera of Essex, and I expect my efforts towards authorship will be confined to that. W.R.M.. I'm interested in what you say about not disclosing the whereabouts of rareties, because you have so many naturalists on your side in this. What is it, do you think, that makes a person go and take a rarity? E.F.W. I think because that person is really a very unimportant person, and wants to appear important in his own eyes. And also he shows a total lack of regard for the future of that rare species. He simply doesn't care. Page 5