that I've found, in the Alps, rare in this country, but common there. And this, again gives a thrill. It must be the same for other interests, whether it's butterflies, or flowering plants, or even badgers, if you like. WRM: You have do doubt had many contacts with other workers in this field. Have you any pet aversions to any particular types of people? AJP: Not in the Essex Field Club because they are amateurs, and they are keen and interested. But, my aversion is the superior, arrogant scientist, who knows it all, not only from the point of view of science, but he knows everything, all the answers from politics to religion. You get those, and I don't like them. I don't like arrogance. WRM: Finally, is there any question you would like me to have asked? AJP: A question people often ask me is, how do you start Bryology? Some years ago I gave a little talk at a meeting of the Field Club, and a chap came to me afterwards (I hadn't seen him before) and said he was interested, but how did he start? I thought to myself, here's another of those who will have a try, then soon give it up. But I was wrong. This chap was a different sort. I told him to follow me round on one or two of the outdoor meetings, and he did this, and I got him to join the Bryological Society, so that he could meet a lot of people. And I told him he must get hold of a microscope, and a couple of good books which I recommended. He came out with the Bryological Society on an outdoor meeting, and he found a new British record. And that man was Eric Saunders. And he became so expert he could teach me some things. I never forget that we all have an influence on others, and other people have an influence on us; it's give and take. I learned a lot, when I was younger, from older people. Now, students follow me around, and some of them prove to be better students than I am myself. Page 4